Brief Talk Episode 8 - My Chat With Annalise Gann

November 26, 2021

Brief Talk Episode 8 - My Chat With Annalise Gann

My Chat With Annalise Gann



Trigger Warning – In this episode we do mention topics that could trigger some viewers including Eating disorders and postnatal depression.

Danielle Sady:         Welcome to episode eight of Brief Talk, I'm really excited today, we have the amazing Annaliese Gann joining us for a one-on-one interview. Hey, Annaliese. Thanks for joining us.    

Annaliese Gann:      Hi, Danielle. I'm so excited to be here.      

Danielle Sady:         Thank you so much for being here. Many people aren't aware, we met about three years ago and I was so inspired by your journey. You was an amazing, inspirational woman to me, to really follow your journey. And I love the fact that we officially got to meet just before you became part of our first ever Everyday Model Search, back in 2018, I think we actually met before the shoot. So [crosstalk]    

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah, we did.

Danielle Sady:               Yeah, and I wanted to sit down and chat with you today, because obviously you have a massive following on social media, over 100,00 on Instagram, over 65 on TikTok. You're very active in that place, and such an inspiration of someone who truly backs themselves and puts themselves out there. So wanted to chat to you today about your journey with loving yourself and empowering yourself to put yourself out there, and obviously loving what you do.

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah, beautiful. Awesome.

Danielle Sady:               To kick off, do you want to start by telling everyone a little bit about your day, a typical day for you?

Annaliese Gann:            Okay. This varies every day. Obviously as an influencer, there's never the same day ever. It always changes. But usually, I wake up around 5:36, that's only because my partner wakes up so early. Otherwise, I would not be up at that time. So my body clock is definitely different these days.

But, go to the gym for an hour in the morning, get back, have a coffee, do my emails. And then I might have to shoot some content in the day. Sometimes I have Zoom meetings like this, or I have castings, or I go to a modeling shoot. It really varies every single day.

But I like to have that routine of going to the gym, or going for a walk, or going for a run, just to balance me out for the whole day, and then I'm just set up for the day. And then I like to have the routine of also having dinner with my partner each night. So I have two things in place that are always the same, but everything else is different. I never really know what's going to happen.

Danielle Sady:               I love that though. Having me-time or that self-care time, whatever it may be. Self-care to everyone is so different. So the fact that you pick something just solely about you in the morning, and then something about your relationship and giving it that time in the evening, I think that's really cool.

Annaliese Gann:            Thanks, I know. I just need that to also ground me, because obviously working on social media, it's not a very grounding job. I feel like it's all up in the air. It can change any time of day. It's different every day, there's a lot of variety. But as long as you have some consistency in life, you can actually do very well in it. That's why I have my two things set, and then the rest of the day is just different.

Danielle Sady:               I couldn't agree with you more there, that grounding part of it and having your network that really reminds you of everything. Because you can, I mean, as we'll get into more, you can get swept up in it. And we have seen people get swept up in the world of social media and all of that. So the fact that you're so self-aware, I take my hat off to you. I think that's really cool.

Annaliese Gann:            Thanks. Well, I had a moment of not being self-aware a few years ago and my parents were like, "What's going on with you?" And I was like, "Yeah, I don't know." It's good to have my family as well, because they're very grounding and that's a good part of being back in WA, I guess, because I was over in Melbourne and Sydney and it was just such a different lifestyle.

I'm a country kid, I'm from a farm, so I'm used to being grounded and I'm used to being around family, and just having that consistency with seeing them. I think I only used to see them twice a year. So being back and being able to ground myself at the beach, or in nature here, is really important to me. That's how I make it work, really.

Danielle Sady:               So leading on from that, I really want to hear about your childhood, because I know you're a country girl and I know where your values and all of that lie. I've had the pleasure to have numerous conversations with you. But I really want to understand your journey from growing up in the country to then becoming such an amazing influencer across social media platforms. How did that evolution happen? What led you to it? All of that, everything in between.

Annaliese Gann:            It's quite interesting, because I never ever thought I would model, number one. I was never a good-looking kid. I wasn't seen as pretty or glamorous or anything like that. I was the opposite. I grew up on a property in the southwest of WA. Very humble. We rode horses, quad bikes, always in the mud, herding up sheep with the dogs. Most people don't believe me when I tell them this, but it was so country. I think it was good for me though, because it really set me up. I had all the basics, but I was never spoiled. It was never lavish. It was just, it is what it is. And I think that's made me have the morals and values I do today.

I'm very old school, very traditional. I grew up with Catholic parents, I'm Catholic, so I grew up very, I would say, country and traditional. I started modeling when I was 15. I just started with my local agency. They were like, "We'd love to have you." Because I was always tall. It wasn't like I was beautiful, but I was tall. So I think they were just like, "Can we get anyone in here who's remotely tall?"

And then from there, it just blossomed. And it was an interesting time for me. Obviously I had things, I went through an eating disorder in my teenage years, and then I put on weight again and recovered from that, so I became a plus-sized model. And after I chose I wanted to do that, I moved to Sydney at 19 and got signed with Vivien's Models as one of their first ever curved models on their board. So it was quite a pivotal time to be a curved model.

But I never saw myself ever being in this industry. Obviously when I was young, an influencer wasn't even a thing. It just came into fruition when I was older, and becoming an influencer was a result, really, of posting my modeling photos at the time.

Danielle Sady:               It's such an incredible journey. And I have to say, it hurts my heart a little bit when you say, "I wasn't a beautiful kid." I have seen some younger photos of you, and you're absolutely gorgeous and perfectly you. And I hope that you see that in your past and all of that, because you are an incredible human being who is incredibly grounded. And I think that's what resonates with a lot of people who follow you. And I think that leads me to my next question, because for me, I love the humility about you.

Annaliese Gann:            Oh, thanks.

Danielle Sady:               You're the girl-next-door, would be the best title. I hate stereotyping someone, but that's what it feels like when I'm chatting with you. I feel like I'm sitting with an old friend and it's really lovely to see that the journey you've gone on. Do you realize how many doors you actually opened for other women to empower themselves and start believing in themselves? Does that ever resonate with the journey?

Annaliese Gann:            It does from time to time, I guess. It's quite overwhelming, but I never have really thought of it like that. I just do my job. I just go to work and I go home, and I don't really think about the cause and effect, if you know what I mean. But I guess with this kind of line of work, with curved modeling and body diversity, and everything that incorporates into my job, I guess it does help a lot of people.

And that's why I love doing what I do as well. Because not only is it for me, it's for other people. And I'm a very caring person, and I want to look after people, and I want to let them know that they're okay just the way they are, because I was always taught I wasn't. So it's very important for me to preach that message along with doing my job.

Danielle Sady:               Oh, 100%. And I think that was a big connection for us. We had the traditional values we both hold, then the empowerment of other people really getting that message. And whilst our journeys are very different, the core essence of it is the same, that we went through these struggles of not being okay with who we are, and having to work through that through our different ways, and had to face some tough shit, pretty much, in our journey to come out and be the person we are standing today.

Being on set with so many girls when we did that shoot, you really were there to encourage these other amazing everyday women who we were working with, to help them. Here's how to move your body this way, and loosening up and doing all of that, and you did. You really took care of them, which I thought was such a beautiful quality and the sisterhood, it shows. And I know you do that with whoever you work with, you know what I mean? It wasn't an isolated thing. It's something you do and you're actually known for when people talk about working with you.

Annaliese Gann:            Oh, well, thank you. That's really nice. That was an incredible shoot. That was one of my most favourite shoots of all time. It was so much fun. And just all the women that won the search, they were all just incredible in their own rights.

But I just feel like when you're a model and you're starting out, it's just a lot of pressure. And I think if you can help someone and be like, "Don't take it too seriously." I took it so seriously when I first started, so just to loosen them up and be like, "Do your pose, smile, just be you." I think that's very important to me.

Danielle Sady:               And what did you find probably the most confronting when you started? You're talking about loosening up and not being so serious, to allow your natural personality to come through. How long did that take for you to start feeling that way and allowing yourself to actually enjoy it and just be you?

Annaliese Gann:            I think for years, I never thought I was enough. I never thought I was loud enough. I'm quite a sensitive, relaxed kind of person, and I always thought I have to be this entertainer, or this out-there person who I'm not. And for years, I tried to be that person, and it just didn't work, because people can tell when you're being ingenuine. They're like, "Oh, I can tell she's putting it on," because it wasn't me.

So it took me maybe four or five years to be like, "Actually, Annaliese, you're fine just the way you are. You're a smart businesswoman. You're good at Instagram. You're good at your job. Just go in there and be yourself." It took me years to accept I am who I am, but once you hone in on your genuine qualities and who you are, people love that, and that's when it pays off. It's not when you're trying to be someone else, or trying to look skinnier, or trying to look like someone who you're not. When you're just yourself and you embrace who you are, that's when everything falls into place. That's what happened for me anyway.

Danielle Sady:               I couldn't agree with you more on that. I know, even for me in my journey, I stepped back with ELC for a little bit, with everything going on and working on different things. And I stepped back, and I really didn't allow the audience to see me and talk about my journey as much. I feel like, for me, I wasn't being my authentic self in doing that, because I love chatting to people. I'm someone who loves to engage and have that personal contact, and then to pull myself away completely from the brand.

And I think I almost got to the point where it was so much about business, because that's why I started a little bit. And there was some stuff happening globally that none of us saw coming., So it got a little bit overwhelming and I lost sight of it, and I know what that's like. So I understand where you are coming from there, relaxing back into it.

And hence, why Brief Talk was out. So I can chat about all the things that are there, and talk to people like yourself about their journey, because it could be one other person listening to this right now going, "Okay, crap. Am I trying to be something I'm not? Am I missing what actually I am passionate about?" Because it makes such a difference in your journey, whether it's your social media journey, whether it's your business journey, your career journey, your family, any of that. If you're pretending to be something you're not, it feels like hard work.

Annaliese Gann:            It does, and it just never works out. People can tell. Humans are so smart, they switch on, they're like, "You're not being genuine, you're not yourself." And that's why, as well, this year I've honed into talking about my social media with mental health. Because my mental health is so up and down, and I know a lot of Australians are, and all over the world. And I wasn't being genuine, because I was saying, "I'm having a fabulous day. I'm so happy."

Everyone just probably thought I was living my best life but I was sad and I needed professional help and I needed to see a therapist. So I wanted to talk that. I think just opening up to who you truly are, people really appreciate that these days. There's no such thing, I think, anymore as being the influencer that everyone wants to see because people know it's fake.

Danielle Sady:               I really struggle with that. An episode that's coming out just before this one, I've actually just talked about the whole Photoshop-free brand and why. The stats are staggering. It's alleged that 80% of people are Photoshopping and editing images for a perception on social media. I had no idea, I didn't know what a filter was before I started my businesses. I still don't use them. I'll go black and white or whatever. But, for me, I was astounded that 80% of users, that's not talking about businesses, 80% of users edit their photos and stuff before they go up. Is that because of a feeling of not feeling good enough? It is wanting to hide behind how pretty and unrealistic these expectations are sometimes on social media that we want to portray something that's not really there?

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah. I just think we live in a time where social comparison is so high and we're constantly comparing ourselves to the next girl, the next guy on social media. Constantly scrolling, not feeling good enough. So we feel like we have to alter ourselves a little bit to get closer to that idea of perfection. And it's so sad and it's so, I want to say, disgusting that it's come to this that we feel that we have to alter ourselves so much to fit in. I really don't like it but that's why I love brands like yours because it actually embrace the person and it's not all about the idea of being perfect. I think everyone is perfect in their own way. They don't need to be fully edited and that's why I love what you do because I think you're such a front-runner for that and you've helped a lot of women with your brand already. So, hats off to you. You've done really, really well.

Danielle Sady:               Thank you so much. And that is, for me, you know my journey, we've had the discussion. People have seen it on our socials and I've talked about it more in the early episodes of Brief Talk. Like I said, I hid a lot from my brand in that period initially and I think, even for me, when I came out and talked about having postnatal depression, you worked with me in that August. I was already suffering postnatal.

Annaliese Gann:            Really?

Danielle Sady:               Yeah.

Annaliese Gann:            I wouldn't have known.

Danielle Sady:               And that's the thing, if I had admitted it or allowed myself to not put on that facade, I felt like a failure. I felt like I was letting myself down and all that down and that was when I finally went, "Okay, I need to put this out there." It was really hard spot but, hence why I talked about it with RUOK? Day and I'm very open and an advocate for it, to have that conversation because I don't want people to think what you see is all this. I ugly cry. Some days I'm in the corner, I'm rocking, I do the ugly cry. That's life and it's okay.

It's that boundary, though. So social media has its place for all of it, I think, as well. I don't want to slam anyone who wants to do the pretty thing and all of that, that's great. If that's what it's about for them, that's fine as well. But on the flip side, I think what you're doing, like having 100,000 people follow you between 2 accounts or whatever, 165,000 people. That's a huge amount of people that you can influence in a positive way. And to see you using the platform in that way is amazing and I love so many people are doing that now. You see them out there, that are really putting themselves forward. And it takes bravery, people don't realize the bravery it takes because, I think it's going to lead into my next question. How did that then resonate for you? Because there is the good and the bad on social. Take us through down the path of the bad. How did you cope with that and how did you move forward? Because it can be a nasty place sometimes.

Annaliese Gann:            It can definitely be a nasty place. I actually deleted TikTok this year for a few months because I was getting so much hate and people calling me negative comments and bullying me. And I've never really experienced bullying to that level in my life. I would be like to my sister, I would ring her, be crying and be like, "Oh, all these people said this today." 100 comments hating on me because I made a funny, comical video. Really nasty comments that were really directed at me as well, they weren't just saying, "You're ugly." It's saying, "You have a horse face," or, "You look like you're 40 years old." I'm 25. I know I look older than I am but just all these negative comments. It's just horrible. It was just really hard at that time so I'd actually deleted TikTok.

So that's one of the bad things, you get bullied a lot, you get DMs that are very negative and I feel like you always have to watch what you do when you're big or an influencer because people, which is good, but people always have a go at whatever you do. So you have to have very thick skin.

I think another negative thing is that it's very inconsistent with work. So I want people to know that it's a very inconsistent job if they're aspiring to be like an influencer. Because some months you won't work and some months you'll be inundated with work. So you have to be really good with money and good with saving money. I think the other bad thing, it's all over the place. There's nothing that's the same every week. But I think I like that part of the job but a lot of people wouldn't. It's a lot of pressure. I think a lot of people come home and they leave their job at work and that's it. Influencers work around the clock and we get up, we have to think, "What are we going to post this morning?" You know with ELC, you're just constantly on this treadmill that you can't get off. So I think, yes, it's great having a following and being able to influence people, but it's a lot of pressure and it's a really big job. But I love it so I'm happy to do that.

Danielle Sady:               Yeah, it is. Sorry, guys. We've had some technical issues today and I don't know if that sound's coming through. Someone out in our business park is working with a drill or something of some sort. So I do apologize for the terrible audio today but we kind of had no other option. Just want to flag that because it was kind of coming in over when you're talking there.

But it is. Even for the brand, it's not me personally but we've been definitely trolled through the brand. And we've got a policy, and my policy is very simple, you troll, you get deleted and blocked, you're out. It's that cut-and-dry for me. Especially because I've had 18 incredible women agree to join me on this journey of our brand. So, if I'm not the gatekeeper of these comments and holding people accountable and removing that negative speech or hate speech or whatever you want to call it, I don't feel like I've done you or any of the other 17 women justice in any way and I haven't held up my end of the bargain.

But then on the flip side, with writing my book and doing everything I'm doing now, I'm having to build a personal profile. So I'm seeing the other side of it now when it's all about you and it is... People think I'm an extrovert, I'm actually an introvert with extrovert qualities. Being the youngest of four daughters, I've had to speak up and be a bit louder to get cut through. It's funny, though, when you're putting yourself out there front and center, it's a lot harder to talk about yourself. I've found it quite difficult to do my posting, but it's a journey I'm on now, discovering that and moving forward as I build this profile, as well. To talk about business tips and all of that for start-ups. It's going to be interesting to sort of see how that...obviously, you're conscientious because when you've got mental health that comes into it, the fluctuation that can happen like you said. I mean, 100 comments on a post, no wonder. You can almost start believing the shit that they're saying when none of it's true.

Annaliese Gann:            100%.

Danielle Sady:               Made you start having a bit of doubt come in?

Annaliese Gann:            The thing that I think, though, with haters is haters only hate up. You never hate on someone who's doing worse than you. Then I think about it, I'm like, "Well, you can say all these negative things about me but why are you saying that?" Because I don't hate on people that I look up to but a lot of people do. It's hard because now I just take it with a grain of salt but at the start it definitely affected me, that's why I deleted TikTok. I wasn't on TikTok for months because I was just like, "This is a negative hellhole."

And Instagram can be like that for me, too, sometimes. But, same with you, I would just delete and block them. I just don't tolerate it, I just don't care. Doesn't matter if they're a big person or a small account, I don't care. I don't tolerate bullying.

Danielle Sady:               And I think that's what some people don't realize, bullying doesn't necessarily, or trolling, come from someone who only has a couple of followers.

Annaliese Gann:            No. I've had a lot of girls in the industry with big accounts be quite nasty to me. But I always hold my ground and I'm not going to be nasty back, there's no point. It's not in my value system to be nasty to people so I just ignore them.

Danielle Sady:               I think that saying, for me, comes in at that. I always look at it from the perspective of hurt people hurt people.

Annaliese Gann:            Yes. Exactly.

Danielle Sady:               I'm a firm believer. A lot of the time it's actually not even about you. It's about insecurities which I actually almost feel sorry for people like that. Because I go, "There's something that's hurting you so bad that you're lashing out at others and it's a really sad place if you get to there because it means there's some damage there." I'm a real softie, I want to hug them, I want to fix them. If I see a wounded bird, I want to pick it up and I want to... you know?

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah, I'm the same. I'm not like that so I can't relate to them but I want to help them, too. Because it must be hard. Whatever place they're coming from.

Danielle Sady:               So let's switch it up. We've talked about some of the bad, let's flip it back the other way. I really want to know, I've had a burning question that I've always wanted to ask you. When you go back to, say, 10, 12 years old. What did you think you were going to be when you grew up?

Annaliese Gann:            I thought I was going to be... this sounds so random. I had two things I wanted to be. I've always wanted to be a singer, I was always in choirs, always in bands, always a musician, played the guitar. I always thought I'd just be a pop singer. I don't know why, I just thought that's what I'm going to do. Well, Annaliese, you have to be very good and it's not that easy to do so I don't know why I thought that. But the other thing, I actually wanted to be a geologist in the mines.

Danielle Sady:               Wow!

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah, so I studied Earth and Environmental Science at school and I thought, "Oh my god, this is what I want to do. It's really good money." But then I thought, "Oh my gosh, I can't live at a mine in red dirt and wear [Harveys] all day." It's not me. That's what my boyfriend can do, I don't want to do that. So they were my two options, really. But obviously I never thought this would happen because influencing wasn't even a thing so they were my two things.

Danielle Sady:               Whereas now, we were watching... Last year, at the end of the year, my stepson's Year 6 video. And they ask all the kids what they want to be when they grow up because they get to watch it again, obviously, when they finish Year 12. And I was absolutely blown away by the amount of kids who want to be an influencer, a content creator. I'm same as you, I finished school in '99. So 21 years ago, to think that this would become a job. It's amazing how the landscape changed where people like the Kardashians and Paris Hilton, ever think that Nicole Richie and those women did, opening up a whole new world and really utilizing and changing the way of these platforms and how they're used. It's been incredible to watch the transition. In another 10, 20 years from now, if we sat down and chatted it'd be changed dramatically again in the landscape. So I think it's an evolution that's going to continue.

Annaliese Gann:            It is and it's really exciting and it's interesting to see how far it's come. When I first started Instagram, you weren't getting paid for collaborations, you weren't getting paid sponsorships. Some companies would send you clothes just to post, but they wouldn't pay you. So it's a pretty incredible space to be in at the moment. But, as you said, it's ever-changing and who knows, one day they might delete Instagram or delete YouTube. So you always have to have that in the back of your mind as a creator, as well. But right now it's really good and it's a very interesting industry to be in.

Danielle Sady:               And what's your favourite part about being involved in the self-love, body positivity movement that's happening? Like you said before, diversity and all of this is stepping up in a platform, companies are stepping up, influencers are stepping up to really talk to each other and our communities about self-love and all that. What is it, for you, that drives you to continue to do these and share your journey in this space?

Annaliese Gann:            It's just so important to me because, as I said before, as a little girl I wasn't perceived as beautiful. If anything, I was perceived as chubby or people would call me fat. I never felt like I was good enough and I was always told, like, I'm 5 foot 11, I'm nearly 6 foot. So I had baggy weight that was ready for when I was going to shoot up. Not that I was even... I don't think anyone... I don't like the word fat or chubby or anything like that, I don't like using those words. But that's what people used to call me so I never felt good enough.

And I just always felt like I always had cellulite, I always had big boobs, I always had stretch marks even when I was a teenager. I was just made to feel like, "You don't look like the girl on the Roxy posters. You don't look like the typical Australian surfer girl that everyone wants to look like with the abs." I always felt like I was just not good enough and that's what made me get an eating disorder, pretty much. I just want people to know that none of that really matters, it's all bullshit. You have to really just be yourself and I know how hard it is to just hone in on yourself and be like, "Yep, cool. I'm just going to be me. Eff what everyone else thinks." But it's so worth it in the end and you are enough. It's just the media portrays this unrealistic picture of what you should be. It's not good enough but it's just how it is and you just have to be strong in yourself.

Danielle Sady:               It's so true. The language and diet culture in our homes changes perception so easily. I've got a rule in my house after having [Ziya] that the F word is not allowed to be used, that's fact. Do not comment on my child's appearance in any way, in the sense of... in a negative light. And if you think about it, how I explained it to adults was, if you're not prepared to say that comment to an adult, do not say it to my child.

Annaliese Gann:            No. It causes damage. Yeah.

Danielle Sady:               And you and I are cases of that. Not because anyone did anything maliciously, it's not about that. I had an amazing childhood as well, I love it. But because I was so different to my siblings, the media never had anyone who looked like me as well, as we've discussed. And so, for me, I saw that as a flaw in my make up versus a positive, that I could be uniquely me. And use that as my superpower. But I saw it the other way and those comments, "Oh, puppy fat, she'll grow out of it." So I know the damage it can cause. They're absorbing everything we say and to be able to understand that and see it. I'm seeing the fruits of that now, with my son. At two years old he's reeling something off I said to him six months ago or somewhere we went. That's how much it seeps in. So if we aren't careful with what we say to ourselves, to the people around us, no matter what age. You hear something enough...

Annaliese Gann:            You believe it.

Danielle Sady:               And how many people celebrate when someone loses weight? That old chestnut. You get acknowledged for it and a couple of amazing influencers at the moment have been talking about it. It's all great that you get that influx of uptake in it and, "Oh, I feel good." But then you go home, the sadness can still be there. You can lose weight and feel good about it but there is the flip side that if you're doing it just for a visual perspective and not really healing whatever it is for you, it doesn't change anything.

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah. My most miserable time was when I was 15 with an eating disorder. I weighed 50 kilos, I was a size 6. And that was my most miserable time, I didn't eat, I was on the treadmill every day, I was going to the gym every day. I was just sad, I was just a sad little girl. And that's the thing, weight doesn't make you happy. Food makes you happy. I love my food and my wine; I'm never going back.

Danielle Sady:               Same. I'm the same. As we get into December, I'm chatting with a couple of women about that whole diet culture that starts coming and being thrown in our face December, January to make you feel like you're doing something wrong, celebrating with family. Screw that. I'm happy to celebrate and eat and my stomach's going to hurt a couple of those days but I'm going to be with my family who I've missed seeing so much in the last 18 months. I'm super excited to share that drink with them and celebrate each other. I can't wait. We've put a ban on presents this year so other than for the kids, ours is all about the food, the wine, the time together. For us, we just went, "No. Let's focus on quality together." Play board games, do all that sort of stuff and really just enjoy each other’s company and celebrate everyone. The past couple of years, what everyone's accomplished, where they're at. Whatever it may be but just celebrate with love.

Annaliese Gann:            Yeah, exactly. Not about this and you get to a bloody Christmas party. I want to be eating fruit mince pies, wine, pudding. Everything I want, I'll be eating it.

Danielle Sady:               I can't wait until you and I can sit down, have a drink again. It's been way too long. But...

Annaliese Gann:            I know. It's been so long.

Danielle Sady:               I know we'll get there at some point. I really love chatting with you and I could chat for ages with you but I'm conscious of time. I know you've got to go to work, it's really early, guys, in WA at the moment. So Annaliese has been so accommodating to work with us today so we could film this ahead of time to load for you guys. Annaliese, you are an incredible woman who is truly beautiful inside and out.

Annaliese Gann:            Thank you.

Danielle Sady:               So grateful to have you in my circle of people that I can call a friend and it may be months between chatting or whatever but I get to watch your shining face, you continue to shine bright and celebrate you for the incredible and inspiring woman you are across your platform. I know there's amazing things in store for you as you continue to go through your journey of life.

Annaliese Gann:            Thanks, Danielle. That's so nice and it's really been good chatting. And I'm very lucky to have you as a friend as well. And hopefully we can catch up in the near future, very soon. It's been too long.

Danielle Sady:               It definitely has. Well, I'm going to sign off now so, guys, thank you so much. A huge thank you to Annaliese for joining us on episode 8 of Brief Talk and I look forward to chatting with you more next week in episode 9. Have an amazing day, everyone.




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Trying to find the right underwear size can be difficult due to different companies making different sizes. To make things easier we have created a step by step guide to take the guess work out of the equation.

Below we have measuring instructions with images to assist you.  

Finding your size in our Underwear Range:

All you need to do is take a couple of simple measurements; your waist, your lower waist and your hips. The best way to do this is by using a soft measuring tape and a mirror to ensure you are accurate.  If possible stand in front of a mirror when taking your measurements to ensure that the measuring tape is also parallel to the floor and is flat.

Measurement 1: Your waist

Your waist is the natural in indentation above your hips or just below your rib cage (see image). Wrap the soft measuring tape around firmly without pitching your skin together – write this measurement down.

Measurement 2: Your Lower Waist

Your lower waist is approx. 12cm down from your waist.  Take your measuring tape and run this down from your waist to 12cm (see image). Wrap the soft measuring tape around this area firmly without pitching your skin together – write this measurement down.  

Measurement 3: Your hips

Now wrap the soft measuring tape around the fullest part of your hips, this is approximately 25cm below your waist (see image). Use the mirror to check that your measuring tape is completely straight and parallel to the floor – write this measurement down.



Finding your size in our Crop Top Bralette Range:

All you need to do is take a couple of simple measurements; your Full Bust and your Lower or under bust. The best way to do this is by using a soft measuring tape and a mirror to ensure you are accurate.

Measurement 1: Your Full Bust

Your Full Bust is the fullest part of your bust (see image). Ensure that the measuring tape is completely straight and parallel to the floor. Wrap the soft measuring tape around firmly without pitching your skin together – write this measurement down

Measurement 2: Your Lower or Under Bust

The Lower or Under bust is measured by wrapping the measuring tape around your rib cage directly under your bust (see image). Wrap the soft measuring tape around firmly without pitching your skin together – write this measurement down


ELC Size 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22
Full Bust Measurements (cm) 81-87 87-93 93-99 99-105 106-114 115-123 124-130 131-137
Lower or Under Bust Measurement (cm) 61-67 67-73 73-79 80-86 87-39 94-100 100-106 107-113
Waist Measurement (cm) 75 80 85 90 95 100 110 115
Lower Waist Measurement (cm) 90 95 100 105 110 115 120 125
Hip Measurement (cm) 95 100 105 110 115 120 125 130
USA 4 to 6 6 to 8 8 to 10 10 to 12 12 to 14 14 to 16 16 to 18 18 to 20
UK 6 to 8 8 to 10 10 to 12 12 to 14 14 to 16 16 to 18 18 to 20 20 to 22
EUROPE 34 to 36 36 to 38 38 to 40 40 to 42 42 to 44 44 to 46 46 to 48 48 to 50


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